And even if Matthias was physically absent at that particular occasion, Jesus is still establishing the basic qualification for having one of the twelve thrones as being you who have followed me, not someone who will follow Jesus in the future, like Paul, James, Luke or anyone else in the world. It is the drastic nature of the difference in his life after he surrenders to Jesus that testifies to the Power and Truth of who Christ is, as well as to the wonder of the great mystery that is later revealed to Paul! and as long as the food was not sacrificed to idols and was kosher you could eat with gentiles. As a teen, his family sent him to Jerusalem to study under Gamaliel, the most prestigious Jewish teacher of that time, similar to a Harvard education today. Who did Apostle Paul study under? Well considering I am infact Jewish I dont need your advice on what I should read.. When Christ was first preached multitudes gladly received the word. His seeds are seeds of oppression and bondage. To think that all Jewish people were completely unified is to share the same fantasy Christians have about the early church. Gamaliel, as it appears, did most toward establish-. The alternative must be that the author of Acts was using some literary licence in portraying the event. Was he not in the Sanhedrin when Jesus came before them? They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men. [Isaiah 29:13]. This mantra is a misinterpretation out of context of 2 Timothy 3:16. We therefore need to be careful what we say to the young and fragile new born souls. His dissertation was published as Jesus the Bridegroom by Pickwick Books in 2012. Paul = "little". Its based on a misinterpretation, out of context, of one verse in one letter written by one man, Paul the Pharisee, who was unfamiliar with the personal ministry and teaching of Jesus. Its not like there is a reason to believe a man who said, If my FALSEHOODS abound to Gods glory why am I being judged a sinner.?. Acts recounts the times he faced persecution (13:45; 14:19) and risked his . Paul said: I became your father. Share of voice equals share of mind. How long did it last? Perhaps you can contribute some insight? St. Paul is simply an elect vessel, as an Apostle! Return to your own blog and post this stuff. gamaliel was the greatest of the teachers of the pharisees, perhaps of all time, because he was said to have known the law at a doctorate level, so it was with great wisdom that he told the. This included sacrifices and multiple gods before and after the games. His training at the feet of Gamaliel (Acts 22:3) according to the strict manner of the law of the Jews. This is a good point, although I am not sure that the tradition is totally reliable. If you dont agree with my interpretations and applications of the facts, fine. Tha A in TanAch. The Lord God Jesus the Jewish Messiah, Son of Yahweh the Most High God of Israel, said: All the Law and the Prophets hang on these TWO commandments. Not one. Its nice and tidy to say I just accept what the Bible says, but whose interpretation? But, Once an idea has been accepted by your subconscious, it remains there and it governs your behavior until it is replaced or changed. [ as a pastor named Bishop Dale C. Bronner observed in one of his sermons]. Well Maybe that spirit isnt the Holy Spirit of Jesus, maybe you are bound in spirit by the evil spirit of Paul the Pharisee. The New Testament was not written nor codified till well after both Yeshua and Shaul were gone. In fact, it is in this capacity where he is first mentioned in Acts 5. This was like most of Pauls ministry, always doing what God told him and doing what was against the grain. That is a good question, I am not sure if anyone has ever asked me that before! For Rabbi Saul, the idea that the messiah could be killed is wrong but is it enough to account for a violent reaction like Acts 7 and the stoning of Stephen? Why is this a strange idea? Since November 2021, Reading Acts is edited by Sarah Westphal. Gamaliel Paul, in a speech to the Jews, tried to influence them by stating that he had been a student of Gamaliel ("I am a Jew, . For example, Polhill says, The most interesting ruling preserved from Rabban Gamaliel was his insistence that a woman had the right to remarry upon the testimony of a single witness that her husband had died. I would think that he would include that in his self-description as the chief of sinners. I was attracted to the school because they put Pauls mantra of All Scripture is God-breathed above everything else, and I wanted to heed Pauls command and Preach the Word like Paul. The Fast is known as Yom Kippur. The Pharisee Gamaliel is mentioned twice in the New Testament (Acts 5:34; 22:3). How did Gamaliel impact Paul? The Lord Jesus clinches this point: if ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free (John 8:31-32). 1973 Inside the mind of a Jesus Person. Gamaliel is reported to have offered somewhat lenient advice concerning the early preaching of the apostles in Acts 5:34-39. 4:2 Gamaliel forbade husbands from divorcing their wives without their knowledge. This is the reason why Yeshua said that Pharisee should be the the ones teaching. Paul claims to have been educated by Gamaliel, one of the premier teachers of the Law in the first century. If the Hillel tradition did not offer plasticity enough to justify Pauls missions against Christians, is it possible that Paul felt that he stayed basically faithful to Gamaliel/Hillels school and to mercy because the predominant number (majority of cases) of Pauls concrete cases against Christians did not require threats of death (i.e., how many Christians caved in?). In support of this alternative, it has long been noted that Galatians 1:16-24 appears to describe a . Pastor Niko Thapa. Whom did Paul study under? First off reading the first paragraph, his human teachers and influences matter almost as much as guidance by the Holy Spirit did. Its not easy for me now in 1973, as a young man just trying to start out in ministry. Mainstream Judaism also reject Josephus and its evident that he was clearly Jewish. Match. If his father was a very zealous man as well, then there is the possibility that that affected the way that Paul thought even before he entered into the teaching of Gamaliel. Mosley is actually studied under Flusser. God told them to go one way, and they disobeyed God and did the opposite- but God still worked through them eventually, after they repented. For this he is slandered with pride by Christians who if believed in the Bible would reject mainstream theology for the lie it is. When we look at Pauls teachings and testimony about himself, (in his letters that make up 1/3 of the New Testament,) we should NOT immediately ask ourselves; what did Paul say, what did Paul mean, and how does this apply to my life? The fundamental question is NOT what was in the mind of Paul?, Before any of that, the FIRST question to ask is; does Paul agree with Jesus, who came to fulfill the Law and the Prophets?, Paul contradicted himself, and his teachings and testimony about himself dont harmonize with the teachings of Jesus (or with Lukes record of his life.) But Jesus said, do not take the best seats (Luke 14:7-11), and to be like a child (Luke 18:15-17). Paul may very well have studied under Gamaliel and from there established the groundwork from which to build a new movement. If the LORD Yahweh, and His Son Yeshua the Jewish Messiah is God, follow Him; but if Paal is God, follow him. Your name never appears in the Bible after your appointment as the 12th Apostle in Acts 1. Jesus poured his life into the 12 Apostles for 3 years very personally training them to be the leaders of the church, and Jesus chose Peter as first among equals. Every Book of it, every Chapter of it, every Verse of it, every word of it, every syllable of it.. every letter of it, is the direct utterance of the Most High!, Not all the Christians think this way about the Bible however., It depends greatly on which Jesus, and what you mean by believe. The underlying basis is, what is the supreme written Word of God, above all others?, I believe in the Jesus of the Gospels (Matthew Mark Luke & John in the Christian Bible.). three years His claim before . Where is your yeshiva in Houston? In practical terms, regarding texts of the Bible, that means that the most important words are the words of Jesus recorded by The Apostles Matthew and John (closely followed by Mark) in my view. Paul would never have slowed down on his preaching to write the books in the bible we have to learn from, so God put him in prison. Maybe Shammites were more conservative, Hillites more liberal, but that is only relative from the perspective of the Essenes they were all too liberal on the Law! Here are answers to 2 common objections: .a) What about the so-called Golden Rule? The issue wasnt the Torah, the issue it was the corrupted law that man attached to the Torah. A better resource would be Shaye Cohen, The Beginnings of Jewishness: Boundaries, Varieties, Uncertainties (University of California Press, 2001). Dont ask us! Gamaliel said success would determine the truth of the movement. I. As to pauls seemingly at odds relationship with his teacher Gamaliel, it is no odd thing for a student to differ from a teacher, especially if the student is quite a zealous one. Written in stone. What could be more permanent than that? Paul was a Diaspora Jew who claimed to have been raised in a family which kept the Jewish traditions without fault. (I dare you to use this in your class), I know a girl made of memories and phrases, lives her whole life in chapters and phases -Jimmy Buffett. For that, we have to go to extra-biblical sources. I dont have any position or influence in the Christian world. He called his twelve disciples to him and gave them authority to drive out evil spirits and to heal disease and sickness. People trained by Paul to carry on the work after he left. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do. IMHO, Paul was not an eyewitness to the crucifixion. Evidence for this more accommodating opinion is found in the book of Acts, although some (like Chilton) are not completely convinced Acts portrays Gamaliel accurately. https://readingacts.com/2011/09/06/paul-a-hebrew-of-the-hebrews/. Which is why the Holy Spirit and Jesus chose to use Paul I believe because he had all the good and needed training before his conversion. This is exactly what I am talking about, I have regularly posted articles on this blog saying the earliest Christians were Jewish and I often say in classes (and I am sure I have said it someplace here) that the earliest Christian theology (either Jesus or Paul) was quite similar to the Pharisees. The soul of Saint Gamaliel appeared to the presbyter Lucian in AD 415 and told him where to find the relics of Stephen and those of his own body. Im following Jesus. If Paul began study at the latest age of 16, we can guess a birth year of about 6 at the earliest. Here however it plainly is not. The commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not murder, Do not steal, Do not covet, and whatever other commandment there may be, are summed up in this ONE RULE: Love your neighbor as yourself. Love does no harm to its neighbor. So we know that he is a Pharisee, is part of the Sanhedrin, and taught the man who would eventually pen the majority of the New Testament. You seem to want to impose your views of the modern church on ancient house churches. Good question, although in Acts Gamaliel is more lenient than Paul with respect to the followers of Jesus. Last Weeks Reading: Evangelicals, Water, and the Theology of Paul New Ways Forward, http://readingacts.com/2013/09/09/paul-and-gamaliel/, https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=zGS_V5mEOG4, Romans, Part 57 | The Gospel and the Religious Mind, https://unashamedofjesus.org/2016/05/31/greatest-commandment/#comment-5642, https://wonderfulgraceofjesus.wordpress.com/2017/03/08/the-commandments-of-jesus/#comment-120, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65t-OzhlmvE, Pauls Jewish Heritage (Philippians 3:4-6) | Reading Acts, What Kind of Jew was Paul? . Without such a solid basis in the Torah and the Jewish Law that he got from studying under Gamaliel, I doubt Pauls conversion and ministry thereafter would have been as impacting or provocative. Phillip J. We cannot work on assumption that Paul was different to what the book of Acts says. You said that your QUOTE Quran is incorruptible. Thats like many Christians saying the Bible is inerrant. Muhammad is to Muslims as Paul is to most Christians as Mary is to most Catholics an idol that they worship, practically speaking. Yes the Holy Spirit guided him in his writings, but part of being human is how we are shaped from our teachers and mentors. I do not think that after conversion he started reading manuals of style in order to communicate better with Gentiles, he already was well aware of these styles because the were pervasive in the culture. As a Roman citizen, Paul possessed a coveted status Listen to Gamaliel. There is no conservative or liberal spectrum regarding Judaism or the 32 sects of Judaism during the time of Yeshua. ), In essence, it is also the same principle as what Eve did in the Garden of Eden, forgetting about the Tree of Life, which is the first tree in the middle of the Garden, and instead referring to the second tree as the tree that is in the middle of the garden. [Genesis 3:3 & 2:9 2:17, 3:24], Kind of like the Pharisees with Jesus, who were pushing the false idea that we can consider ONE commandment in the Law, alone in isolation, to be the greatest commandment in the Law., Or like today, false teachers in the Chrislam Purpose Driven Seeker Sensitive Emergent Liberal Ecumenical New Age world church movement pushing the false idea that the ONE RULE is Loving God and Neighbor together.. This is your only warning before being banned for incivility. But i am just speculating here. That means open your Bible and be specific. Law. To which Paul replied, youre fired. Paul then took his team of painters, and started painting the garage and the house. The sentence begins with So in the NIV and Amplified Bibles, and Therefore in the NASB and King James Bibles, which ties 7:12 to the previous sentences. He appointed twelve designating them apostles that they might be with him [Mark 3:13-14], Three chapters later, Then Jesus went around teaching from village to village. One special person, alone, with special words, and a special title, who could never be WRONG. How can I make them understand that they should deal with Paul Worship the same way that I deal with smoking weed? I am not sure we can know, but Aramaic seems likely, although Scripture would be studied in Hebrew. Extremely zealous follower of Judaism (Php 3:5-6). Their cult leader is their hero he is always right, could never be wrong about anything specific, and he must be obeyed in all things and never questioned. I didnt think King Herod would knock you off so quickly. However, as he got farther along in his faith and was eventually converted to Christianity, he became more like a Hillelite which was what Gamaliel was. How about written in stone in heaven (in other words, for eternity.) Hmmmm.. Here are 5 to get the discussion started: .1) Pauls boastful conflicting false testimonies, exaggerating and making things up about his conversion experience in Acts 22 & 26, compared to what actually happened (recorded by Luke in Acts 9). Infact, the sect that condemned Yeshua were Sadducee. Lets see. Why insist that the words of this one special person automatically override the words of Jesus and everyone else in all history, and he doesnt need to have a second witness to confirm his testimony? unless some else takes credit for writing these words. According to Photius, he was baptized by Saint Peter and Saint John, together with his son and Nicodemus. Same question; Specifically, what were Pauls specific sins as a Christian based on specific verses of the Bible? He comes back to nonviolence and tolerance in his ministry (how he handles the riots and the scourgings). Furthermore, youre also essentially calling Paul a liar. Forgive me, but it easier to cite the following from the Wikipedia. Gamaliel is reflecting the Hillel tradition of non-violence and allowing God to deal with parties that against the Jews (Polhill, Paul and His Letters, 31). Paul adhering to the Feast of Pentacost (Acts 20:16). But he also gave the Holy Spirit something to work with! You who were formerly known as gentiles. Either way, by Acts logic every Christian should reject false doctrines but if a new teacher appears and preaches about God the One God, and is called a Prophet, if his mission is as wildly successful, sans the forced conversions Christianity depended on, IS FORBIDDEN at that, obviously Christians are the new Pharisees for rejecting and slandering Prophet Mohammed (saw) and adhering to oral traditions of their forefathers. Paul (previously called Saul of Tarsus; c. 5 - c. 64/65 AD), commonly known as Paul the Apostle and Saint Paul, was a Christian apostle who spread the teachings of Jesus in the first-century world. While this is a generalization, many of the rabbinic debates of the first century come down to the opinion of Hillel versus Shammai. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Good point. A Nazarite vow entail a MANTADORY sacrifice to the temple. The concept of a rabbi was extremely new in Paul's time, and he probably didn't study under one. Rabbinical eras Chazal Zugot Tannaim Amoraim Savoraim Geonim Rishonim Acharonim v t e In the Christian tradition, Gamaliel is recognized as a Pharisee doctor Not 1 as in 3 in 1. He was an expert in the law. Or see the series of posts on Core Beliefs of Second Temple Judaism starting here: https://readingacts.com/2017/03/30/core-beliefs-of-second-temple-judaism-shema/. The majority of the rest of the book of Acts and the New Testament tells much about Paul's effective ministry as he served the Lord. 15: 8-11 etc. I have been looking and wanted to know about the Gamaliel , because in Nepal we have competition for the ranking and Im bit aware of this and I have burden for our people in Nepal not go this way and I want to teach as a teacher to be out from this kinds of Gamaliel position, who just want to be in the meeting not taking burden of their neighbor who need Jesus than taking a position in the Gamaliel meetings. Paul, before his conversion, tended to be more like the Shammaites in that he was fairly violent and full of persecution. Yet Jesus is the object of worship, turned into a false god believed to be confirmed in a book that actually refutes it! When Hillel died in 10 AD, his son Simon (Gamaliel's father) took over Hillel's position as the nasi, which means president, of the Sanhedrin. 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